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Info-Hams Digest            Mon, 11 Apr 94       Volume 94 : Issue  406

Today's Topics:
                Amateur Radio Newsline #869  08 Apr 94
                      Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin #154
                 STOP SENDING HAMS ON USENET CRAP !!!
                          VE8YEV Expedition

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The electronic publication of the Amateur Radio Newsline is distributed
with the permission of Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF, President and Editor of
Newsline.  The text version is edited from the original scripts and
transcribed from the audio reports by Dale Cary, WD0AKO, and is first
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                     The following is a QST

    Killer tornadoes sweep through the southeast and ham radio is
 there to provide communications in the wake of the devastation.
 Also, a California judge says the Part 97 rules give his court
 jurisdiction over ham radio on the air operations.  He orders two
 more hams to stay off a repeater.

 (*****
                       SOUTHEASTERN TORNADOS

    Some chilling moments from the March 27th tornado outbreak
 that killed more than 40 people in the Southeastern U.S.  Amateur
 radio operators helped the public by providing Skywarn and other
 emergency communications.  Alabama was hardest hit by the storms.
 Some dramatic storm spotting and damage reports were captured on
 tape:

    "This is N4KMJ, Jack in Goshen Valley at the Goshen Methodist
 Church.  The roof has exploded.  I see one house, the top all
 gone.  Power lines down.  Vehicles wrecked.  I am approaching the
 church more now.  N4KMJ, rescue squad is on scene."

    That was one of the first reports coming from the Goshen
 Methodist Church near Piedmont, Alabama.  That's where 21 people
 -- including six children -- died when a tornado slammed into the
 church during Palm Sunday services.  Skywarn nets were active
 across more than half the state.

    "This funnel cloud is definite I mean it is real formed right
 now.  But I can't hear any roar but there is a lot of lightning
 goin' on, KC4KWX."

    In some areas, tornadoes strike twice.

    "The tornado has touched down in the Macedona area of Raglin.
 Second tornado, I repeat Macendona area of Raglin second touch
 down."
    "Roger, Roger, I copy second touch down.  Will advise National
 Weather N4YYQ."

    Reports of large hail were common.

   "We're experiencing hail at the present.   Probably marble
 sized is what it would be considered and getting larger, comin'
 down pretty steady."

    "We had golf ball sized hail at the bridge.  I probably have
 several dents in the car."

    Hams stayed at the National Weather Service near Birmingham
 for nearly 10 hours.

    "W4CUE, NWS looking for severe weather reports only."

    Palm Sunday 1994 has a new name in Alabama:  Tornado Sunday.
 It's a day residents in the South will never forget.
    In Georgia the state's ARES net was activated Sunday
 afternoon following reports of the tornadoes in Alabama.
 Amateurs manned nets in 12 counties in the storm's expected path.
 Local 2 meter net reports were funneled to the Georgia ARES net
 on 3975 khz, with liaisons to both Alabama and South Carolina.
 From there spotting reports were relayed to state Red Cross
 Headquarters in Atlanta.  Nearly a dozen repeaters were used for
 emergency nets.

 (*****
                       TORNADO HAM TRAGEDY

    The tornadoes in Alabama also brought personal tragedy to Jack
 Blair, N4KMJ.  He's the ham who made the first report you just
 heard in the story about damage to the Goshen Methodist Church.
 As Jack moved closer to the church, he learned that his daughter
 had been injured, and his wife was among those killed when the
 building collapsed.  We know you join with us in wishing Jack's
 daughter a speedy recovery from her injuries and in offering
 condolences to the Blair family on their tragic loss.

 (*****
       CAL STATE COURT DECLARES JURISDICTION OVER HAM RADIO

    A California Superior Court judge says that state courts at
 least state courts in California do have jurisdiction over the
 on-air activities of ham radio operators.  In taking this
 position Judge Robert Hutson has also banned two hams from using
 a private repeater.
    Judge Hutson quoted chapter and verse from section 97.313,
 subpart E of the FCC rules in making his decision.  A decision
 we reported last week to grant a petition from the Claremont
 Amateur Repeater Association to issue a permanent restraining
 order barring Anthony Cardenas, WA6IGJ, and Drew Feldman, N3KSO,
 from operating on the clubs repeaters or taking part in any club
 activity.
    The latest revision of Section 97.113, subpart E of the
 Amateur Radio rules and regulations states in part that any radio
 amateur in his operations obey all federal, state and local laws.
 It was only after talking to Sidney Radus, N6OMS, the attorney
 for CLARA that the scope of the judge Hutson's decision became
 evident.

    "The argument that the other side was making was that only a
 federal court had jurisdiction.  That the federal government had
 preempted all of these areas.  What he found was that since
 federal law applied, but state and local law also applied, then
 there is no preemption and the states are free to act." Radus

    Radus added that it was his view that this loophole in
 federal regulation applies only to the on the air operation of a
 radio amateur in cases where his or her operation may cause harm
 to other hams.  He doubts that it could be construed as giving
 states and municipalities total control over Amateur Radio
 operations because this appears to be the only place in Part 97
 where the FCC gives any authority to other jurisdictions.  Most
 other experts in ham radio legal issues we have spoken with seem
 to agree with Radus.
    The restraining orders against Cardenas and Feldman came just
 a bit more than a month after another Orange County Superior
 Court judge granted the clubs request for a similat order against
 Tim W. Seawolf, KJ5KE.
    Its reported that Feldman has announced, on the air, that he
 will be filing an appeal.

 (*****
                        LICENSE DOWNGRADES

    This just in.  Word that the FCC has mailed out between sixty
 and seventy letters to hams throughout California canceling
 license upgrades.  This, in connection with the governments
 continuing probe into wide spread testing irregularities
 statewide.  Most of the license downgrades are believed to be in
 Southern California and involve sessions run by a number of
 volunteer examiners that the government has temporarily had
 banned from the V.E. testing program.  None of the names or call
 signs of those downgraded have been released by the FCC.  All
 were given sixty dates to take a retest or face the loss of their
 higher license privileges.  Word is that some of those who have
 lost their upgrades took their tests as far back as late 1991
 and early 1992.  That's all the information we have right now.
 More on the continuing California V.E. probe in future Newsline
 reports.

 (*****
                   W5YI LICENSE RENEWAL SERVICE

    W5YI Report publisher Fred Maia seems to have become
 embroiled in another controversy not really of his own making.
 This one involves a mailout of his company of a renewal reminder
 to hams who'se licenses are about to expire.  For a fee of five
 dollars, Fred's company offers to handle the license renewal
 paperwork.  This is not unlike companies that provide this kind
 of a support for land mobile radio, broadcast and other FCC
 licensees.
    Fred told Newsline that he is providing the service at cost
 as a way to advertise.  But some hams seem to view it in another
 light.  Already there have been several messages appearing on the
 national packet radio network warning of what the origionaters
 call a license renewal scam.  The text of one of these postings
 all but says that the W5YI license renewal service is illegal.
 Another goes so far as to call it fraud.  Others simply point out
 that any ham can get a form 610 from the FCC, fill it out, sign
 it and send it in at no cost other than postage.
    Nor is the W5YI Group the only license renewal service
 operating.  The American Radio Relay League has undertaken the
 same project, but only for its members only and with no fee
 involved.  League members will receive a notice about 90 days
 before their license expiration date, along with an FCC Form 610
 and an envelope addressed to the FCC.
    In reality, the Leagues license renewal service is not free.
 You must be an ARRL member to use it and that membership costs
 thirty dollars a year.  And there are also rumors that several
 V.E.C.'s and a number of ham radio database companies may get
 into the license expiration reminder and license renewal service
 as well.  What charges will be made by these groups, if there are
 any, are unknown.
    The bottom line is this.  What Fred Maia and his W5YI group
 are doing is legal.  License renewal services may be new to ham
 radio, but they have been around in other services for years.
 And as ham radio continues to grow at a rate of 6000 to 7000 new
 hams a month, there is a lucrative market developing for all
 kinds of products and services including license renewals.  Look
 for more services like this one to spring up in the months and
 years to come.

 (*****
                          FREE ARRL LETTER

    Another ham radio newsletter price war may be on the horizon
 with word that the American Radio Relay League has decided to
 give away its ARRL Letter free of charge.  But there is a catch.
 The catch is that you have to be an ARRL affiliated radio club
 to get the truly bargain rate.
    The league says that it is limiting the free distribution of
 the ARRL Letter to the Editors of these club newsletters.
 Staffers at Headquarters have already mailed out the offer of a
 free one year subscription to qualifying newsletter editors.
    No word from W5YI Report publisher Fred Maia as to whether he
 plans to match the league's free offer.  The Westlink Report ham
 newsletter has already said that it will not.

 (*****
                            DAYTON SAREX

    It's April and that means Spring in this part of the world.
 Time to get out and work on antennas, fix up the house and for
 thousands of hams... go to Dayton for the Hamvention.
    For more than ten years, amateur radio operators have carried
 ham gear with them into space.  They call the program SAREX, The
 Shuttle Amateur Radio EXperiment.  More than a dozen flights have
 given thousands of students in schools all over the world the
 thrill of experiencing space close up and personally by taking
 part in two way conversations between kids on campus and
 astronauts aboard Columbia... or Endeavour... or Discovery, 200
 miles above the earth, spinning along at 17 thousand miles an
 hour.
    Teachers say this highly visible exposure has generated so
 much enthusiasm that several hundred youngsters have gone on to
 get licensed and now are members of the amateur radio fraternity.
    SAREX is sponsored by the ARRL, AMSAT and NASA and is
 controlled by an appointed board called The SAREX Working Group.
 To celebrate its tenth anniversary, the Group accepted an
 invitation to stage a Forum at Dayton.   Astronaut Tony England,
 W0ORE, who operated Slow Scan TV and voice back in 1985, will
 join Command Pilot Steve Nagel, N5RAW, who flew two SAREX
 missions in the nineties, to tell us what it's like from an
 astronauts' point of view.
    The Working Group itself will make a rare appearance.  Rosalie
 White, who heads the Educational Activities Department at ARRL
 headquarters and works with the schools that are chosen to take
 part in SAREX, will team up with Frank Bauer, the AMSAT Vice
 President or Manned Space Flight who sets up the ground stations
 and telebridges that bring the astronaut signals to the
 classrooms.  Lou McFadin, the Principal Investigator from the
 Johnson Space Center will demonstrate the SAREX equipment.  Roy
 Neal, K6DUE as Chairman will introduce the players and describe
 our proud history.
    Several SAREX pioneers are flying in for the occasion.  Bill
 Tynan, President of AMSAT; Doug Loughmiller, a former AMSAT
 President; John and Karen Nickel, who helped form the SAREX team;
 all plan to share their experiences.
    Add several teachers and some students telling what it was
 like for them... plus questions and answers with the audience...
 and you have what promises to be a major highlight, Saturday
 afternoon at the Dayton Hamvention this year.
    I'm Roy, K6DUE, for Newsline.

    The SAREX forum will take place Saturday, April 30th at the
 1994 Dayton Hamvention in Dayton Ohio. We'll see you there.

 (*****
                  WESTLINK YOUNG HAM OF THE YEAR

    A reminder from the Westlink Report ham radio newsletter that
 the nominating period for its annual Young Ham of the Year Award
 closes on Saturday April the 30th.  The Westlink Report Young Ham
 of the Year award was conceived to honor the younger members of
 the Amateur Radio Community. Hams aged 18 and younger who have
 used Amateur Radio to significantly contribute to the benefit of
 the service, to their community or the nation are eligable.
    With corporate underwriting from Yaesu USA, the 1994 winner
 will receive a trip to the Sea Pac convention, a piece of ham
 radio equipment and a special plaque denoting his or her
 accomplishments.
    All nominations must be submitted on an official application
 available for a self addressed stamped envelope to the Westlink
 Report Young Ham of the Year, 28197 Robin Avenue, Saugus, CA
 91350.  The winner will be announced in early May.

 (*****
                           Mc Gan Award

    Nominations are solicited for the 3rd Annual Philip J. McGan
 Memorial Silver Antenna Award for volunteer public relations
 efforts on behalf of Amateur Radio.  Nominees must be full ARRL
 members in good standing and not be an officer, Director, Vice
 Director, or paid ARRL staff member.  Nominations are due by May
 31, 1994, and must be made on official nominating forms, which
 are available from ARRL HQ, 225 Main Street, Newington Ct. 06111.

 (*****
                       BLANCHARD OBITUARY

    Finally, last week, Newsline brought you the touching story of
 Frank Blanchard, AA4LB, in Birmingham, Alabama.  Frank received
 a special honor in mid-March from fellow members of the
 Birmingham Amateur Radio Club.  He was named this year's
 recipient of the Club's annual Citizenship Award.  Due to a
 critical illness, Frank received his plaque early, during a
 special surprise visit to his hospital room.  It was a very
 emotional presentation and one that won't be forgotten.  We're
 saddened to tell you that on March 30th barely two weeks after
 receiving his award, Frank lost his battle with cancer.  Frank
 Blanchard, appreciated for all the ways he found to help others,
 was just 56 years old.

 (*****

    For this week, that's all from the Amateur Radio Newsline.
 You can write to us at Post Office Box 463, Pasadena, CA 91102.

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Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 16:24:27 -0600
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!ve6mgs![e-mail]
Subject: Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin #154
To: [e-mail]

SB DX @ ALLBBS $OPDX.154
Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin No. 154

The Ohio/Penn Dx PacketCluster
DX Bulletin No. 154
BID: $OPDX.154
April 11, 1994
Editor Tedd Mirgliotta, KB8NW
Provided by BARF-80 BBS Cleveland, Ohio
Online at 216-237-8208 14400/9600/2400/1200/300 8/N/1

Thanks to the Northern Ohio Amateur Radio Society, Northern Ohio DX
Association, Ohio/Penn PacketCluster Network, DL7VEE & DXNL, DF4RD,
OH3MEP, ON6TT, NA2M, W2QM, WB3JFS, K8CEF & Southeastern Cluster Group,
KF8VW, W8XD, WD0GML and N0TG for the following DX information.

9G, GHANA. The DX NewsLetter (DXNL) reports that Peter, ex XT2BW, is
now active as 9G1PW. He was heard on the Ohio/Penn DX Network, April
4th, on 21297 kHz at 1428z. He left XT-land at the end of January and
is supposedly to be in Ghana (on vacation with his family) for 2 to
3 months. QSL via WB2YQH after his return.

9N, NEPAL. The DXNL reports that Marlo, IK3HAQ is trying to become
active from Nepal from April 6-24. No other details were given.

9X, RWANDA. After announcing his extented stay until the end of May,
Paul, F6EXV, who is active as 9X5DX, may be coming home sooner than
expected. According to the news wires, foreigners began fleeing the
country Friday, April 8th. French paratroopers landed at the airport
in Kigali, and a massive evacuation has begun with some 600 French and
other foreigners leaving Rwanda. Paul has not been heard since April
4th on the Ohio/Penn DX Cluster Network. Everyone is hoping that Paul
is well.

CY9, ST. PAUL ISLAND. Plans are in the works for a July 1-7 operation.
The operators will be KW2P, WA4DAN, AA4VK, N0TG and possibly W0RJU. This
is the same group that was active from KP1 and KP5 in 1992/1993. The
group has landing permission and arrangements for the boat has been
made. More details will be announced later.

HV, VATICAN. It has been reported that Bob, N2EDF, will be active from
HV4NAC, April 14-19. There was no specific bands or frequencies or QSL
route mentioned.

JY, JORAN. Ibrahim, JY5IN, sometimes shows up on a DX Net on 14243 khz
around 0615z or on 14247 kHz around 2230z.

OH0, ALAND ISLAND. It looks like there will be plenty of activity during
the month of April. Pete, OH3MEP, states he will be active as OH0MEP
for one week beginning April 16th. Also, around the same time, begin
looking for OH0NLP, OH0LQK, OH0LIU, OH0LYA and OH0KAG. Some of the
stations will be active on all bands, RTTY and the satellite.

PACIFIC DXPEDITIONS. Ron, ZL1AMO, will be active sometime next week as
3D2RW. He has other plans which are not complete as of yet, but there
are good possibilites that Ron will be active from C21, T28RW and ZK3.
He is especially interested in a trip to T30 (because he has never been
there).

V4, NEVIS AND VP2E, ANGUILLA. NODXA members (Jack/KB8WC and Scott/KO8O)
and some users of the Ohio/Penn DX Cluster Network will be on their
annual Spring Caribbean DXpedition, starting April 18th, signing VP2EOH.
QSL via K8BL.
  On Thursday, April 21st, Jack and Scott, will fly to Nevis and operate
as V47WC on SSB, and V47RS on CW. QSL V47WC via KB8WC and V47RS via
KO8O. They will return home on April 27th, so that they will recover in
time for the Dayton HamVention.

VP8, ANTARCTICA. Gavin, VP8GAV, continues to be active from the British
Antarctic base of Rothera. He has been heard between 3500 and 3506 kHz
around 0515z; and again between 1015 and 1100z. He also shows up on 20
meter CW or SSB, starting around 0030z on 14017 or 14245 kHz. QSL via
GM0LVI.

OH YEA! DID YOU HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THE CARDS FOR .......?
 3Y0PI CARDS. Peter, ON6TT, (one of the operators) released the
   following statement on April 7th: "The 3Y-cards are in print as of
   today. They will be finished by the end of April. Once we receive
   the cards from the Belgium printer, they will be sent to the states.
   Expect the cards to come out as of May." Also QSL Manager Jerry,
   AA6BB, has stated that the labels are now 75% completed from the
   logs.
 FS/W2QM CARDS. Dave, W2QM, states, that cards for his 1993, Decemeber
   1-8, operation have started going out in the mail. All should be out
   in a few weeks.
 KG4CI AND KGWP CARDS. QSL cards for this KG4 operation between February
   24th and March 2nd by Nellie/XE1CI and Dave/WQ5Y should have been
   shipped from the printer and should be in the hands of Dave (as of
   April 7th). Since each operator will be responsible for his/her
   QSLing, half of the shipment of cards will be sent to Nellie in
   Mexico City. Just a reminder, QSL KG4WP to WQ5Y and KG4CI to XE1CI.
   Do not QSL to the KG4 Bureau.
 VQ9TV QSL MANAGER CHANGE. Mike, WD0GML, informed OPDX that Floyd Gerald,
   N5FG, is the new QSL manager for Bill Rowe, VQ9TV. Floyd has all of
   Bill's logs and can respond to all QSL requests for VQ9TV. QSLs can
   be sent to: Floyd Gerald, 4706 Washington Ave., Gulfport, MS. 39507.

FAX YOUR DX INFORMATION NOW! Faxing is available Monday/Wednesday/Friday
from 0430 to 2330z only. The number is 216-237-8208 and the FAX card is
sharing the same phone line as BARF-80 BBS using a data/fax/phone switch.

Excerpts and distribution of The OPDX Bulletin are granted as long as
OPDX/BARF80 receive credit. To contribute DX info, call BARF-80 BBS
online at 216-237-8208 14400/9600/2400/1200/300 and leave a message with
the Sysop or send InterNet Mail to: [e-mail] or send
BitNet Mail to: aq474%cleveland.freenet@cunyvm or send PRODIGY Mail to:
DFJH48A or send a message via packet to KB8NW @ WA8BXN.OH.USA.NA

/EX

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Tedd Mirgliotta  KB8NW
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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 94 18:37:13 GMT
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Subject: STOP SENDING HAMS ON USENET CRAP !!!
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Gilbert Baron) writes:

>Please explain why crossposting does not use more bandwidth. Inquiring minds
>would like to know. 10k x 2 lists is 20k of data.

Because the article is but one, with a reference to all the other groups
that may have interest in it. 10k x 1 newsgroup with 3 other newsgroups
referenced is still just 10k of bandwidth (but perhaps 40k or 4 repeats of
the article presented to the newsreader bandwidth if your newsreader is borken
and has no concept of cross-posting, even the first newsreader packaged with B
news didn't have this bug. A newsreader typically can be configured to present
this one article in the first group in the list, or in the first group you
read that has this article cross-posted in the list).

The Newsgroups line on the *one* article is:
    Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.info,news.answers,rec.answers

>>The exception is when someone has a feed that gets one of the groups and
>>not the other.  Then I agree, he might have a valid point if he says
>>that it is a waste of bandwidth _on that link_.
>
>Huhhhhhhhhh if it gets only one then you have less data going across. It
>jsut does not make sense to me.

Not a problem, but what he means is that the article will be fed as *one*
article if any *one* of the newsgroups is in your feed list. If the idea is
to eliminate the article from the feed, then one would put in:
    ...,!rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc,...
which would remove all rec.radio.info articles, *including* the one cross
posted to rec.radio.amateur.misc.

Do not confuse cross-posting with multiple posting, multiple posting being
the most evil act a USENET user can perform, the antichrist of USENET so
to speak ... :-)

Ciao, 73 de VE6MGS/Mark -sk-
    You owe the Oracle a full feed.

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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 20:53:25 GMT
From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!gov.nt.ca!@@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
Subject: VE8YEV Expedition
To: [e-mail]

The Inuvik Amateur Radio Club would like to thank everyone who
made our expedition to Hendrickson Island, Northwest Territories
a success.  We would especially like to thank all the operators
for their patience under very poor band conditions and the
relative inexperience of the expedition members in dealing with
such large pileups.

 The expedition departed Inuvik Friday morning as planned,
 travelling in three vehicles over the "ice road".  The road
 stretches 200km over the Mackenzie River and the Beaufort Sea
 ice from Inuvik in the Mackenzie River Delta to the community
 of Tuktoyaktuk on the Arctic coast.  This road passes within
 15km of Hendrickson Island at which point the equipment was
 loaded into a sled and pulled by snowmobile across the sea ice
 to the island in two trips.  Within an hour of arrival a 20m
 dipole was erected and the first station went on the air using
 solar panels and batteries.  Over the next several hours antennas
 for the other bands were erected, including the homebrew vertical
 at 50ft. that was used for the bulk of the contacts on 20 meters.

  Propogation was very poor for the duration but steady contacts
  were being made and at one point 20m, 40m and 80m were all open
  and being worked by the members.  In all only 300 contacts were
  made over the 24 hour duration of the expedition but considering
  the band conditions at the time that is more than was expected.
  The island group is now officially North America 192, Inuvik
  Region West.

   Please QSL via VE8NC.  Cards are being printed this week and
   should be ready for distribution before the end of the month.
   Due to the poor conditions, anyone who is unsure if they made
   a good contact are invited to send a note via internet to
   [e-mail] and I would be happy to reply as to
   whether or not they appear in the log.

    73
    VE8EV  John Boudreau
    VE8NC  David Musselwhite
    VE8GC  George "Red" Cheyney
    VE8CF  Carl Falsnes


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